FW: [PraiseNews] God's Counsel or man's?
Here's more information about the topic of who to listen to God's Word or Man's
To Re-Marry after a Divorce is The Sin of ADULTERY for the couple involved
That would mean YOU by marrying that man regardless of what any man may tell you is in fact risking your eternal soul because you have done it even though it was told you not to do it because God hates Divorce & the bible references have been put before you to check for yourself, so your decision is now are you going to listen to the word of man or the Word of God – would you be open to having a pastor speak to you in more detail about this? If you’d like to speak with the pastor here as well as some of his lay counselors I can forward your phone number if you’d care for me to send it along to the ministry
Praying that God opens your eyes to His Truth & your ears to His Word & your Heart for His Teaching & in the name of Jesus that you make the right choice to save your soul & that you’ll turn from the flesh to the Spirit of God
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Me and my wife are still seperated after 2 months, but I can
feel the hands of God over us on a regular basis. Once I
learned that his battle is not mine to be fought that God
was my attorney and judge - that things would begin
changing. My wife is starting to tell me things that she
was holding off on, just simple things like about how work
is driving her nuts - 2 months ago she would not have told
me anything. We still talk, I speak to my girls every
night, and wheter she tells me she loves me everything or
not, I make sure to tell her - and I noticed last night, she
did not slam the phone down like usual, she waited to hear
it. I pray for all of you as you pray for us, as I was told
yesterday by a great and dear friend. Prayer does not
return void ~ therefore we pray for each other.
Ray R., LA, USA
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God's Counsel or Man's counsel
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This message can be heard at:
http://Radio.MarriageHealing.ORG/woe.htm
Today I want to talk about a subject that is probably dear
and near to all of us who are listening to this message,
because in one form or another this has touched our lives
either personally through our own relationship or through
the relationships of our loved ones such as our parents, our
children, or perhaps those who are near to us, friends,
relatives. And the subject that I want to talk about is the
subject of divorce. Recently our ministry has been doing a
lot of counseling with couples who are in the process or on
the verge of divorce, and for many years we did our ministry
almost exclusively with one individual. While we still do
that, we are now doing a lot of interaction with both
parties in the relationship. This is an exciting time for
us, because it positions us to be able to do, we believe,
even more good than we were doing before, because we have an
open door to actually speak into the life of the party who
is most determined to pursue the course of divorce.
So what I want to talk about today is, first of all, the
counsel that these people are receiving across the land by
pastors. And when I use the term pastors, I have to say that
I'm using it very loosely, because when I run into a couple,
as I am doing quite often, and one of those two people tells
me that their pastor or more than one pastor has advised
them that it is acceptable for them to pursue a divorce, and
that they are supporting a decision to pursue a divorce, as
a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ, it makes my
stomach turn. So I want to take a look at some things
straight out of the word of God, and I want to begin with
some scriptures out of the book of Ezekiel that I believe
apply to this particular situation. This message is really
directed at the sheep; this message is directed at those who
either have already received such counsel or may in the
future receive such counsel, and we want to set the record
straight as it is found in the word of God. So at this
point let's just open with a prayer and reading of the word,
and then we will look at this issue a little bit more
closely.
Father God, we just ask you to illuminate our hearts and our
minds. Lord, we invite your Holy Spirit to be the teacher.
Lord, we don't want to lean upon our own understanding, and
we don't want to interpret your word through carnal
mindedness. Father God, your word says that the word is of
no private interpretation; and every one of your sheep hear
your voice; and, Lord, you have written your laws upon the
heart of every one of your sheep. Lord, your word says that
your sheep follow your voice. So, Lord, as we examine your
word and as we examine this matter, we just ask that your
Holy Spirit will destroy every falsehood and every
stronghold that has been established by the devil and his
"ministers of the righteousness", as your Word calls them.
Lord, we know that not all men who say, Lord, Lord, are your
people, and we know that the agents of the devil disguise
themselves as ministers of righteousness, as it says in the
book of Corinthians; so, Lord, we ask that your Holy Spirit
and your holy word would be in operation together during
this message to bring the light to those that have had their
eyes and their understanding darkened. Lord, we ask that
your word and your Holy Spirit will bring life to those that
are on a path that leads to destruction. Lord, you said
there is a way that seemeth right to a man, but the end
thereof is destruction. Lord, turn your people from the
path that leads to destruction and lead them in the way that
leads to life. We just ask it in the name of your son.
Amen.
Please turn with me to Jeremiah Chapter 23 in your Bibles.
We're going to read the first few verses here to put this
message into its proper context. It says, "Woe be unto the
pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture,
saith the Lord. Therefore, thus saith the Lord God of
Israel against the pastors that feed my people: Ye have
scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not
visited them. Behold, I will visit upon you the evil of
your doings, saith the Lord. And I will gather the remnant
of my flock out of all the countries whither I have driven
them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they
shall be fruitful and increase. And I will set up shepherds
over them, which shall feed them; and they shall fear no
more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith
the Lord."
Amen. Now, this word in the King James, which is what I'm
reading out of, the word woe, it means alas. It actually
comes from another word. It's just like an exclamation mark
of surprise or shock or alarm. And the Lord is displeased,
as we can see from this particular scripture, with men whose
responsibility it is to feed and to care for his sheep, and
the Lord has a very specific warning for those men when they
scatter his flock, for example. And the word scatter used
here means to be dispersed; it means to break or to shatter;
it means to dash to pieces. And this certainly is a fair
picture of what happens when this type of a person counsels
a man and a woman to break or to shatter or to scatter what
God has joined together.
You know, the Lord says elsewhere in his word that we are
not to put asunder, which means to divorce. We are not to
put asunder what God has joined together. And when a man
and a woman are married, the Bible says that they are no
longer twain but one. In other words, they're not two
people anymore. And when you look at children, children, by
their physical nature, are a representation of what God has
done between the parents in the supernatural. Let me say
that again. Children in their physical representation are a
picture of what God has done in the supernatural. Okay? In
other words, when you look at a child, you see the two
parents who have become one. You don't see the father only,
you don't see the mother only, you see both of them in that
child. That child is a living picture of the relationship
which exists between the father and the mother. So to break
that, to scatter or shatter that, is anathema, it's against
the word of God. The Lord has a warning for that type of
people who call themselves pastors and yet perform that type
of disservice to the body of Christ. He says, "I will visit
upon you the evil of your doings, saith the Lord." That's a
pretty serious warning and I wouldn't want to be a man or a
woman who has put themselves or has been put in the position
by the Lord of caring for the sheep. Their responsibility
is to edify the sheep, to bring about healing, to bring
about reconciliation.
When a pastor counsels a man or a woman that they should
pursue divorce, that man has invited the curse of God upon
his life. We never counsel divorce in our ministry. In
seven years we have never counseled anyone to get a divorce.
We have a belief about divorce that comes from many years of
studying the scriptures, and our belief can be summarized in
a nutshell by saying this: You know, there was a time and a
place where God found it just to divorce Israel. Now,
that's a whole teaching and that's a whole subject in itself
that we're not going to really get into at the moment, but
when God found it just to do so -- and, by the way, just
because he did so doesn't mean that the covenant which he
had with Israel was broken or destroyed forever.
I believe that God has an everlasting covenant with Israel
that he established, nevertheless there was a period of time
where God did divorce Israel. And we believe that, if and
when there may be a time in the life of a believer that a
divorce, by God's just intervention, should occur, God will
bring it about. In other words, we believe that God will
lead a man or a woman to do that, however you want to
interpret that, through the counsel of a wayward pastor,
through just stubborn self-will, through adulterous affairs,
through whatever means that person who pursues that divorce
may find, we believe that it will happen. In other words,
the believer, the disciple of Jesus Christ, never need
pursue a divorce, because if the only way for that party,
who may be getting injured, who may be living in some kind
of torment, if the only way for that person to get relief
from that situation is by prayer, by wise counsel, by
trusting in the Lord, and perhaps they will become the
victim of a divorce; in other words, God may bring about
through circumstances a situation where the guilty party
will impose a divorce upon the other party.
We've seen that happen countless, countless times, and we
believe that a disciple of Jesus Christ can trust the Lord,
and can walk in his ways, and can apply the teachings of the
scripture, particularly when it comes to the matter of
forgiveness, not holding onto bitterness and resentment, and
loving the other party, trusting the Lord, we believe there
are times when the Lord will bring about a relief, because
the other person more times than not, I believe this is
almost always the case, is proving themselves to be an
unbeliever by their very actions.
In the book of I Corinthians 7, let me just read it to you,
and we'll all turn there, starting with verse 10, says, "And
unto the married I command ..." This is the apostle Paul
writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, so this is
really the Holy Spirit writing. "And unto the married, I
command, yet not I, but the Lord..." That's an important
point to get at the beginning of this. The apostle Paul
makes it crystal clear that this is not the command -- and,
by the way, a command isn't a suggestion, a command isn't a
good idea. A command is an absolute, irrevocable,
irrefutable requirement. A slave, which we are in Christ
Jesus, as the word of God says that we were purchased with a
precious price, which was the blood of Jesus, and, of
course, you hear the apostle Paul that we're looking at
right here, we hear him speak oftentimes of being a bond
servant, which is just another word for a slave, so a slave
has no will. You know, people talk about free will, but a
slave has no free will. A slave is under the ownership, the
direction, and the will of the master. So if you be in
Christ, you don't have a free will anymore. You may have an
ability to make choices, but you are charged rightfully,
because of your status, and the benefits which you enjoy as
a son or a daughter of the most high God, you are charged to
obey. And so when the Lord gives a command we don't have
any room to debate, and discuss, and decide whether or not
we like that, we only have one right option, and that is to
say, yes, Lord.
So the apostle Paul writes, "And unto the married, I
command, yet not I, but the Lord, let not the wife depart
from her husband." Now, that word depart is the original
Greek word chorizo, which means to separate, divide, put
asunder, basically is a reference to divorce. It is
specifically a mention of divorce in the Greek. So what the
word is saying here is a woman is not to divorce her
husband. And really it even says more than that. It really
says that the woman is not to separate from her husband,
she's not to leave the home, she's not to go out and be on
her own, even if she doesn't divorce. Now, that brings up a
whole other issue of people would say, What about when a man
is physically abusing his wife? Well, we're not going to
cover that today just because of the amount of time we have
to finish this message, but we do counsel people, and if you
are dealing with that problem in your life, then you can
contact our ministry through the web site contact page and
we'll be happy to counsel with you and instruct you in the
word of God, and help you to deal with those things in a
practical way, because they must be dealt with, and we do
not believe that a woman should just foolishly put herself
in a place of danger to be beaten. I just want to make that
very clear, we do not believe that. Nevertheless there are
ways to deal with that kind of a situation wisely, in love,
in forgiveness, in trust, which is a key thing, that God
will honor your faithfulness and your obedience, and God
will bring a solution for you. When you honor his word,
he'll work on your behalf. We give counsel to people who
are actually in that kind of situation, but for now let's
stay on track.
"Let not the wife depart from her husband." Now, that's a
command of the Lord. So any pastor who tells you, you have a
right to divorce your husband, is deceived. He's a man who
is giving you ungodly counsel. "But and if she depart..."
So you see, the Lord is saying, I don't want you to leave
him, but there are situations, as the one I just mentioned,
where perhaps a man is beating you, where the Lord knows you
really can't just continue in that situation, it wouldn't be
good, it wouldn't be righteous, and it wouldn't be producing
any change, any reconciliation to just go and take a beating
every day, so the Lord knows that there may be a time where
you have to disengage your physical body from that kind of a
situation. He goes on to say, "But and if she depart, let
her remain unmarried." And that certainly means let her
remain chaste, let her remain uninvolved with another man.
"... or be reconciled to her husband. And let not the
husband put away his wife", which again is a reference
specifically to divorce, but it's a little different word,
and that's the Greek word aphenemae, which means to leave,
to forsake, to let alone, to send away; and, again, it's a
very specific reference to divorce, and divorce is
specifically mentioned, it's not just inferred. So the man
is not to neglect his wife, he's not to let her go, give her
up as a debt. The man is obligated to care for his wife and
not to divorce her.
Now, it goes on to speak to "the rest." Now, I'm not sure
exactly who the rest is, because this begins with the
married. He's talking to the married, both the wife and the
husband, and then he goes on to say, "And to the rest I
speak" or "to the rest speak I", so I believe that "the
rest" means all married people in general, not just the wife
or the husband in their specific capacity. And he says, "But
to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a
wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with
him, let him not put her away." So those men that attempt
to claim that, on the counsel of their pastor, they have a
right to divorce their wife because she's an unbeliever,
that's not scriptural and we can see right here and
elsewhere as we go on in this verse, in this chapter, that
counsel is anti-Christ, that counsel is ungodly, and it's
clearly contrary to the word of God. And we're going to
expose that as we continue here. "But to the rest speak I,
not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife --" Now, this is
Paul's understanding. It's clearly not a command by God,
but he's interpreting or elaborating on his understanding
and his revelation, and it's still good. It's very good.
I'm sure it's exactly what the Holy Spirit wanted him to
write.
You know, any brother, that's a believer, a disciple, a
follower of Jesus Christ, "if he has a wife that believes
not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put
her away." So do not divorce her. That's what the Lord is
saying here through Paul. "And the woman which hath a
husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell
with her, let her not leave him." Okay? So this is crystal
clear here. Even if your wife's an unbeliever, even if your
husband's an unbeliever, you shouldn't have married him in
the first place, but now that you are married, don't divorce
him, don't separate yourself from him. You are to continue
to live as husband and wife.
And this is the principle under which the Lord says: "For
the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the
unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; else were
your children unclean, but now they are holy. But if the
unbelieving depart, let him depart." In other words, if the
unbelieving husband or the unbelieving wife divorces the
believing mate, then don't resist it. Don't resist it.
That's God's just rescue for a believer who is unevenly
yoked together with an unbeliever. So, see, that unbeliever
doesn't know that they're damning themselves and they're
bringing the curse to bear upon their life, and they're
opening themselves up for eternal damnation, because they
don't know the Lord, and because they don't have a
relationship with the Lord, because they are not sanctified
by the blood of Jesus Christ. You see, they were
sanctified, because they were one with their believing mate.
Their believing mate, by the grace of God, gave them a
covering of sanctification. Because of the blood of Jesus
that washes away our sins and makes us right with the Lord,
that makes us the righteousness of the living God; because
we are one blood, because we are one by the supernatural
grace and power of God, that unbelieving mate is sanctified.
But when they file a divorce against a believing mate, they
put themselves back into eternal damnation unless someday
they should repent, and call upon the name of the Lord, and
be saved, which is certainly possible. But this is very
clear.
We're running out of time. We want to continue this
message. We'll just make it part 2, but we got a good start
and we've laid a good foundation. If you are a person that
for whatever reason under the sun you're frustrated, you're
hearing this message, you've tried everything that you know
how to do and there is no way, you are convinced that there
is no way that you and your mate can reconcile, and you have
even gone so far as to seek counsel from someone called a
pastor, and that pastor has counseled you toward the course
of divorce rather than the course of reconciliation, I say
that you are at risk of eternal damnation. I say that you
are listening to someone that is giving you ungodly counsel,
clearly contrary to the word of God, and the word of God
says that. So much more importantly than what I say, the
word of God says that, and we have looked at that today.
We will look at it again in even greater detail. Anyone who
wants to know the truth, and wants to agree with God, you
know, the word of God says, "Let God's word be true, and
every man a liar." Let me tell you something, beloved, if
any man is telling you something that is contrary to what
the word of God clearly says, and that man calls himself a
pastor, you better flee, you better run from that man,
because that man will lead you into hell or at the very
least will lead you into some very, very hard times and a
lot of trouble in your life that you just don't need or
want.
There's a saying. I want to close with this. We've all
heard it before. Not all that glitters is gold. Just
because a man says he's a pastor doesn't mean squat. Just
because a man got a certificate from some seminary doesn't
mean anything. If that man isn't filled by the Holy Ghost,
and if that man isn't giving you the word of God, straight,
by the Spirit of God, because, you see, even the letter of
the law kills, according to God's word; he's not only got to
know the letter of the law, but he's got to have the Spirit
of God dwelling in him, and the Spirit of the Lord will lead
us toward life, the Spirit of the Lord will lead us toward
forgiveness, and reconciliation, and surrender of self.
We're going to continue this when we move into part 2, but
we thank you for listening. We trust that the word of God
has been good to you, and has helped to open your eyes, and
we pray that every person that's heard this message will
pursue the Lord, will get into his word, because the time is
drawing near for the Master to return. God bless you and
keep you.
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